KEVIN Rudd and Malcolm Turnbull could never join forces to create their own political party because they wouldn't be able to decide who should lead it.
At least, that was what the former prime minister told the ABC Q&A audience on Monday - although he was quick to add, "That was a joke."
Host Tony Jones observed Mr Rudd and Prime Minister Julia Gillard couldn't agree on leadership issues either.
"And nor could Malcolm and Tony (Abbott)," Mr Rudd shot back.
The former leaders of the Labor and Liberal parties needled each other as they answered a series of questions about their ambitions.
"It remains a matter of complete bafflement to me why the Labor Party doesn't put Kevin back," Mr Turnbull said.
"But that just proves why I'm not suited to the Labor Party - because I'm too rational."
Mr Rudd wondered how Mr Turnbull managed to get on with his leader, saying they were "chalk and cheese" and suggested, "You're more at home on our side of politics, mate".
He said Opposition Leader Tony Abbott was Labor's "central asset".
"We hope that there's going to be a policy-based election," he said.
"But for that to occur Mr Abbott is going to have to either a) go or b) have a deep personal reformation in terms of being faintly interested in policy of any description whatsoever."
With polls repeatedly showing voters like the pair better than their respective party leaders, Mr Turnbull was at pains to emphasise he would be part of any coalition government leadership team even if not as prime minister.
"Regrettably if they (voters) are Kevin-fanciers ... Kevin, to the loss of his party and I think to the loss of the country, will remain not-so-enigmatically on the back bench," he said.
Mr Rudd lamented the current political climate, which "suffocates" discussion.
"For God's sake what we need in this country is a mature national conversation about policy options for the nation's future around the common vision for where we want to be in 2010, 2020, 2030, 2040," he said.
"It's a rolling Punch and Judy show where everyone knocks each other out over a technical flaw here, someone overstating the case there."
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